Currently I'm taking a 1 hour credit Volleyball course so that I have an even 12 hours so that I can stay as a Full-Time Student. We have a final test which is basically a BS easy written exam.
Our teacher has stated that for the next 2 classes, (last week of class) whichever team wins 3 games in a row will be exempt from the final test.
Now, ideally everyone should work together and agree that 1 team should win 3 games in a row on Monday while the other team should win 3 games in a row on Wednesday so that everyone in the class gets exempt from the Final Test.
How can I convince both teams to cooperate so that everyone gets exempt?
Details:
People needed to convince: 11
Time to convince: 1-5 minutes
I know one person and have his number
All other 10 people must be convinced on the site.
Teacher is present
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Almost a prisoner's dilemma. My suggestion is freshly baked cookies and a quick explanation of the benefits of throwing a game or three. Good luck.
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The real challenge here seems to be setting up the collusion without making it obvious. Like Catharz said, a very game-theory style problem.
First, see if you can convince your own team to throw Monday's games. It'll be easier to do, since you can probably get some time to huddle up and discuss strategy without the teacher listening, and you only really need a majority to make it happen. Explain that if you guys let them win three times, not only will they understand and return the favor, but they won't even need any game wins on Wednesday.
After the first game, see if you can make a bet with the other team. Something like, "hey, I bet we'll beat you on Wednesday if we lose all our games today. Sound good?"
First, see if you can convince your own team to throw Monday's games. It'll be easier to do, since you can probably get some time to huddle up and discuss strategy without the teacher listening, and you only really need a majority to make it happen. Explain that if you guys let them win three times, not only will they understand and return the favor, but they won't even need any game wins on Wednesday.
After the first game, see if you can make a bet with the other team. Something like, "hey, I bet we'll beat you on Wednesday if we lose all our games today. Sound good?"
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Yeah...the problem is working out the deal with the others.
I could come up with a way to fake a believable loss; i.e., score points, maybe let the lead change a few times, but see to it they hang onto their lead as it gets to the end.
Possibly, you could write a note and pass it around to the other team to let them know, under the guise of some student activity thing.
Possibles:
-a birthday card, with the risk the teacher would want to sign it, too
-bring some snacks/drinks/something as a class treat. Use the time when they're being passed out get the others in on it. Have you or your friend distract the teacher with conversation, and the other does the pitch.
-See if you can work up a fake student petition. Are there any petitions going around lately? Any issue about it? Could say it's a worthy cause like, "Academic Improvement and Streamlining"
I could come up with a way to fake a believable loss; i.e., score points, maybe let the lead change a few times, but see to it they hang onto their lead as it gets to the end.
Possibly, you could write a note and pass it around to the other team to let them know, under the guise of some student activity thing.
Possibles:
-a birthday card, with the risk the teacher would want to sign it, too
-bring some snacks/drinks/something as a class treat. Use the time when they're being passed out get the others in on it. Have you or your friend distract the teacher with conversation, and the other does the pitch.
-See if you can work up a fake student petition. Are there any petitions going around lately? Any issue about it? Could say it's a worthy cause like, "Academic Improvement and Streamlining"
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Devil's advocate time. I dunno if I would bother ruining 6 volleyball games just to avoid an easy test.
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If need be however, you really do not need to convince or even inform everyone. 2 people per team is plenty to throw every single game how you want it. Two players aiming to fail is sufficient to throw games, and not even make it obvious it is being done. You could even try 1 player per team, but if someone is obviously a weak link, then they are gonna be covered more by other players.
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If need be however, you really do not need to convince or even inform everyone. 2 people per team is plenty to throw every single game how you want it. Two players aiming to fail is sufficient to throw games, and not even make it obvious it is being done. You could even try 1 player per team, but if someone is obviously a weak link, then they are gonna be covered more by other players.
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If Bill's college is anything like mine, they have you come in for the exam. Not having to show up for school that day is a nice plus.clikml wrote:Devil's advocate time. I dunno if I would bother ruining 6 volleyball games just to avoid an easy test.
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--The horror of Mario
Zak S, Zak Smith, Dndwithpornstars, Zak Sabbath. He is a terrible person and a hack at writing and art. His cultural contributions are less than Justin Bieber's, and he's a shitmuffin. Go go gadget Googlebomb!
--The horror of Mario
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Wait, you play a total of six games, conveniently split into groups of three, the test is known to be BS, and your teacher said that any team that wins three consecutive games is exempt? That sounds ridiculously convenient. You sure your teacher doesn't want you to fix the games?
Assuming that your teacher is against the plan, and is willing and able to break the agreement or pull some other shenanigans such that collusion is worthless unless it's secret, I suspect that getting everyone on board is intractable. In a room with 13 people, getting 12 of them to share a secret without the thirteenth knowing something's up seems like a daunting task, even ignoring that the thirteenth person has a position of authority and is specifically tasked with supervision and that you have to gain consensus and carry out a secret plan even after the covert communication is successful. I don't doubt it would be possible, given sufficient time, if everyone else cooperates, but it certainly sounds like there's a high risk of failure.
Getting a small group of people to sabotage the game as clikml suggested is probably more practical. Whichever team wins on the first day has a small incentive to doublecross on the second day, since they've nothing more to gain and it will reduce suspicion if you don't have a perfect split, but if you know these people that probably overrides such a minor benefit.
Also, taking an easy BS test sounds like less work. And I assume you wouldn't have taken this class if you didn't actually enjoy playing volleyball at least a little bit.
Assuming that your teacher is against the plan, and is willing and able to break the agreement or pull some other shenanigans such that collusion is worthless unless it's secret, I suspect that getting everyone on board is intractable. In a room with 13 people, getting 12 of them to share a secret without the thirteenth knowing something's up seems like a daunting task, even ignoring that the thirteenth person has a position of authority and is specifically tasked with supervision and that you have to gain consensus and carry out a secret plan even after the covert communication is successful. I don't doubt it would be possible, given sufficient time, if everyone else cooperates, but it certainly sounds like there's a high risk of failure.
Getting a small group of people to sabotage the game as clikml suggested is probably more practical. Whichever team wins on the first day has a small incentive to doublecross on the second day, since they've nothing more to gain and it will reduce suspicion if you don't have a perfect split, but if you know these people that probably overrides such a minor benefit.
Also, taking an easy BS test sounds like less work. And I assume you wouldn't have taken this class if you didn't actually enjoy playing volleyball at least a little bit.
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But also less entertaining.Manxome wrote:Also, taking an easy BS test sounds like less work.
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Best solution:
Day#1: kneecap a team mate each game.
Day#2: kneecap the oppossing team's players at the rate of one a game.
:-D
See this is both ingeniously unsound and obviously more unethical and immoral than any other solution aside from working hard and winning three games on the first day (or taking the test)
Day#1: kneecap a team mate each game.
Day#2: kneecap the oppossing team's players at the rate of one a game.
:-D
See this is both ingeniously unsound and obviously more unethical and immoral than any other solution aside from working hard and winning three games on the first day (or taking the test)
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